Other devices keep innovating and CEBIT shows how far behind Palm is! - Page 6

ronbo2000 · 03/12/2006, 01:59 AM

jorang · 03/12/2006, 04:10 PM

This tread seems to be OT all the way through.
Couldn't we just stop discussing the discussion and start to discuss the issue in the first post?

Mtreosexual · 03/12/2006, 04:47 PM

The discussion topic is a hard fact .
I am not sure whether discussion is going to bring a solution.
Palm thinks, that they probably do not need innovation, minor upgrades are just fine ,as long as they are being sold for hundreds and by millions, and as long as they are making profits .

TazUk · 03/12/2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mtreosexual

Palm thinks, that they probably do not need inovation, minor upgrades are just fine ,as long as they are being sold for hundreds and by millions, and as long as they are making profits .

So no different then any other corporate, their main aim is keeping their shareholders happy.

Gas Man · 03/12/2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Treo

I've said this before about Palm. But I guess they want to stick with tried and true but also OLDER features. Notice how a lot of their Treo "updates"(rumored or otherwise) should have been on the LAST model.

I am with you on this "Lady Treo", Palm is always playing catch up!!!

Jeff Kirvin · 03/13/2006, 02:26 PM

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I am with you on this "Lady Treo", Palm is always playing catch up!!!

OTOH, they called it "bleeding edge" for a reason.

There's an old saying that goes back to the dawn of the jet age, "pushing the envelope." The idea is that if you chart a graph with altitude on the vertical axis and speed on the horizontal, test pilots were always trying to get to that upper right corner, faster and highter than anyone else. What no one wanted to talk about is that this was also where the postage gets canceled.

dstrauss · 03/13/2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin

OTOH, they called it "bleeding edge" for a reason.

There's an old saying that goes back to the dawn of the jet age, "pushing the envelope." The idea is that if you chart a graph with altitude on the vertical axis and speed on the horizontal, test pilots were always trying to get to that upper right corner, faster and highter than anyone else. What no one wanted to talk about is that this was also where the postage gets canceled.

However, many of these "innovations" have gone beyond "bleeding edge/push the envelope" to mainstream, and they still don't find their way onto a Palm device.

32mb on a WM5 device - how refreshing.

Programs run from SD without ZLauncher, how inventive.

Would you like WiFi with that - watch my David Spader lips - NO!.

Standard mini-D USB connector - no way, we like broken pins.

"What did you say?" on both ends of Treo 650 conversation - priceless.

None of these "features" are bleeding edge.

surur · 03/13/2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TazUk

So no different then any other corporate, their main aim is keeping their shareholders happy.

Well, Jeff says POS has >50% market share worldwide. Palm must be ecstatic shipping > 20 million devices per year.

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Originally Posted by AdamaDBrown

Yes, the market is booming. I'm pleased to find that somebody agrees with me on that point. But at the same time Palm sales have been declining. Unless you think that Palm went from 90% marketshare to 35% because the market tripled in size.

No, I think those numbers are disingenuous. The 90% marketshare was just PDAs when smartphones didn't exist. The 35% marketshare is also just PDAs and no smartphones, today. Add Treos into that number, and Palm OS is over 50%. That's a majority.

If I owned the majority of the market I would not feel in a hurry to innovate either.

Surur

The Phone Diva · 03/13/2006, 07:34 PM

You have to innovate to keep ahead. Otherwise someone else will.

Mtreosexual · 03/14/2006, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin

OTOH, they called it "bleeding edge" for a reason.

There's an old saying that goes back to the dawn of the jet age, "pushing the envelope." The idea is that if you chart a graph with altitude on the vertical axis and speed on the horizontal, test pilots were always trying to get to that upper right corner, faster and highter than anyone else. What no one wanted to talk about is that this was also where the postage gets canceled.

Bleeding edge ..... My *****$$$$$$$$.

Jeff Kirvin · 03/14/2006, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by surur

Well, Jeff says POS has >50% market share worldwide. Palm must be ecstatic shipping > 20 million devices per year.

If I owned the majority of the market I would not feel in a hurry to innovate either.

Surur

Actually, Surur, I was talking about just the US market in that post.

You know, the only one that matters.

Gas Man · 03/14/2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tj8212

Dont know if you have all be reading the blogs but the devices being released on wm5 are just way way better than the Treo. have a look at this
http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/News/2...8Immagini%2Dl/
Lets face it, with no new Palm or Linux OS coming out soon, I really dont see how the Treo is going to compete. Heck, I may not want the 700p, or even the Hollywood based on whats being released

Us guys and gals with sprint have no choice; really; just the 6700 or the Palm Treo 650.

Sprint needs to get off their duff with a small choice of smart phones,

Oh well a year from now something should be good on the horizon!!

Perry I hope we don't have to wait till 4-24-07 (don't have a Heart Attack)

J.G

The Phone Diva · 03/14/2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin

Actually, Surur, I was talking about just the US market in that post.

You know, the only one that matters.

That's not entirely true. USA market is no longer the be all and end all. You did notice that technology has gone global?

Midknight · 03/14/2006, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Treo

That's not entirely true. USA market is no longer the be all and end all. You did notice that technology has gone global?

Yep, when it comes to cellphones, Europe and Asia are usually 2-3 years ahead of U.S.

Too bad more of HTC's products aren't licensed by U.S. carriers, the Universal looks awesome.

surur · 03/14/2006, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin

No, I think those numbers are disingenuous. The 90% marketshare was just PDAs when smartphones didn't exist. The 35% marketshare is also just PDAs and no smartphones, today. Add Treos into that number, and Palm OS is over 50%. That's a majority

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Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin

Actually, Surur, I was talking about just the US market in that post.

You know, the only one that matters.

I thought Palm had >35% market share for PDA's in the USA. Dont they claim 78% retail? Sounds like some funky maths going on there.

Surur

bigboy650 · 03/14/2006, 03:38 AM

At the end of the day, it's our fault. We are Palm loyal, and when there is nothing else being offered with POS, we buy Palm products. It's almost a classical monopoly. But we still keep buying. Until there is some true competition to the Treo form factor and ease of use, we must be content with what Palm comes out with or buy something else. Period.

A company will not innovate when there is nothing to compete against. It just doesn't make sense. Sadly, we are not the important factors here, it is the shareholders and the carriers that matter. Even though we are the end users, most of Palm's Treo customers are the carriers. We are not really their customers. We are Sprint, Cingular, Verizon, and GSM customers, not Palm's.

If anyone is so dead-set for Palm innovation, they will NOT buy their products. One person may not speak loudly, but legions of them will. However, I do not see that happening.

Bottom line? We are left to be happy with what Palm comes out with or buy something else.

Jeff Kirvin · 03/14/2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Treo

That's not entirely true. USA market is no longer the be all and end all. You did notice that technology has gone global?

Actually, I was just trying to annoy Surur, an admitted Brit.

hova · 03/14/2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bigboy650

At the end of the day, it's our fault. We are Palm loyal, and when there is nothing else being offered with POS, we buy Palm products. It's almost a classical monopoly. But we still keep buying. Until there is some true competition to the Treo form factor and ease of use, we must be content with what Palm comes out with or buy something else. Period.

A company will not innovate when there is nothing to compete against. It just doesn't make sense. Sadly, we are not the important factors here, it is the shareholders and the carriers that matter. Even though we are the end users, most of Palm's Treo customers are the carriers. We are not really their customers. We are Sprint, Cingular, Verizon, and GSM customers, not Palm's.

If anyone is so dead-set for Palm innovation, they will NOT buy their products. One person may not speak loudly, but legions of them will. However, I do not see that happening.

Bottom line? We are left to be happy with what Palm comes out with or buy something else.

Bless his heart! Couldnt have said it any better. We are not palm customers and we are POWER end users at that. All this discussion aint gonna change nothing.

ShannonElements · 03/15/2006, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Treo

That's not entirely true. USA market is no longer the be all and end all. You did notice that technology has gone global?

When has the US market EVER been the 'be all end all'? Regardless though, the US IS the dominant market. If your product succeeds in the US, it succeeds on a wordwide scale. That's why there's no single smartphone anywhere in the world that's outsold the Treo or Blackberry.