MisterFuhrman

Are you talking about Business Sales or Telesales? All Sprint phones are available through Telesales prior to being available in stores. However, Telesales and Business Sales are two totally different animals.

gharrod

All I have to say Gfunkmagic, and I defer to your Palm expertice but I am a businessman, and to the CORE Sprint business user base those improvements give me NO reason to buy the new version. I still ask how Sam claims Palm is so guarded on this but he is supposed to have this all confirmed. It would be pretty easy for Palm to get a court order for the IP address from TC and then get hold of Sam and find out who his insider is. Seems pretty risky for Sams insider to take a risk of losing his job and Sam to be hit with the threat of litigation. Remember how TC, WeBitObsessed and others took everything down so quickly once they got the call last fall from a certain unnamed cell phone carrier.

dutchtrumpet

I'm talking about business sales...I think that's what I said in my post

It may have only been by a day or two...but the 650 was definately available through business channels first.

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bigboy650

It is possible that this time around, they are taking it as free publicity. Considering the pics and vids have been out for so long now. I don't know how many of you guys read RCR wireless, but there is a big write up on the supposed forthcoming WM unit.

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dutchtrumpet

but they would ignore inaccurate rumors. they always acted to shut down accurate rumors and pics in the past and ignored the false.

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aetherion

So, a very informed little birdy told me that there will be a WM5 Treo...definitely. That birdy knew nothing about a Cobalt model, but that doesn't mean such a model won't also be released. The birdy also told me to perk up my ears right around the upcoming CTIA conference for more details.

bmacfarland

As a software developer a real multi-tasking OS seems significant, but it doesn't really enable me to do anything that I can't do now with the Treo 650. It might make things a little easier, but the amount of time that I'd use the multi-tasking would probably be like 5%.

More memory is nice, but since the update I have enough to get by. The one thing that I'd really like would be some kind of free built-in software solution that manages internal memory and SD card memory. I don't want to have to try to figure out what can and can't be run straight from the card and what needs a 3rd party (ZLauncher or whatever) to accomplish it.

Faster Data? Now we are talking a significant feature -- if its priced similarly to Sprint's Vision plan. And considering that I have $10 Vision, I think that $15 is the most I'd pay for EVDO, just because I've got high speed Internet at work and home -- 95+% of where I am at any time. If it's priced at $80 or whatever was quoted around here, I think the feature is much less significant. It amazes me that people will care about the difference between $400 and $600 on a phone, but are willing to pony out $65 a month.

Better Bluetooth. I guess that people are having a lot more problems with bluetooth than I do. I got it working as a modem for my laptop and that's all I want to Bluetooth to do right now. Maybe if I got Bluetooth speakers in my living room, playing music off of the Treo would be fun. Also if my car happened to have bluetooth and it didn't work with 1.1, then I could see that being big. I suppose I need to understand if 5% of the users are having these problems or 95%.

I really like my Mustang, but I see your point. Then again if the Ferrari only got 0.20 miles to the gallon, you'd have a real analogy, given the potential data costs. If there were the case, I think very, very few people would by this device.

Of course if they give me wifi in addition to these features, I'll be thinking about upgrading from my Treo 650. Oh and I'd like the included e-mail application to be able to check mail every x minutes reliably like the Mail application for the Treo 600 did. Even with all the latest firmware Versamail does not do that for me (it ignores the check every x minute setting).

AdamaDBrown

Brighthand has a really abysmal record for accuracy lately. It's true that they have job listings for Linux engineers, but given that the OS is still at least a year away, I wouldn't make too much of it.

gharrod

Careful aetherion I am taking a lot of grief for believing the videos were real. I agree with you bmacfarland because I have never ran my 650 out of memory with all I have on it so I am wondering what all you others who are always complaining about the memory issue are doing with your Treos. Maybe you are gamers who are running emulators. Mine is a business tool so I don't play games on my Treo. The EVDO prices I had heard discussed in threads are $80 a month for unlimited not $10 or $15. I am getting as fast of speeds on my Sprint service as most of these users are claiming they are getting with EDGE in the postings I am seeing so whats the big deal with that? Multitasking is not important to us normal users. If we want to multitask then get an OQO. Listen closely PALM...before I shell out another $700 for a Treo I would rather shell out $2000 for an OQO and I will just use PDAnet in the airport and Starbucks and leave the laptop at home. In fact if I leave the lapto I can leave the laptop case. What a great idea. By the way it isn't as much about price as it is about principle. I am sick and tired of the incremental improvements every year. It just occured to me there are 2 Treo seasons. First is 6 months of anticipation of the new product, the second is 6 months of using it then the cycles starts all over again since 2001 (180/300/600/650).

bmacfarland

I don't buy the whole, "if you want multitasking, get an OQO" argument. The OQO is not cell phone, so that's $1300 extra money in addition to carrying an extra device. That might work for some business folk, but multitasking isn't worth that much to me.

I can see how some people can use the increased memory. I probably don't trick out my Treo nearly as much as others. Then again, I don't really have the time or money to investigate all the third party applications.

cruelpupet

I prefer the flipstart
http://www.flipstartpc.com/

I like the clamshell design. Too bad its just vaporware right now.

Kupe

Engadget has a pretty strong track record, though, and they seem to believe Cobalt is dead too according to this link or this link. Only time will tell, of course.
Luckily there are already existing choices for those of us that do prefer/use multitasking.

bmacfarland

Luckily there are already existing choices for those of us that do prefer/use multitasking.[/quote]

I don't believe there are if you want to use the PalmOS and take advantage of Treo's form factor. I would prefer/use multitasking if it were available with everything else that I love about the Treo. However, for me, that's like 2% of the overall decision-making process when looking to buy a device. That 2% isn't going to be enough to make me upgrade. For others it might be 25% and they'll upgrade. I wonder where the majority of the users lie.

Kupe

Exactly how I feel bmacfarland. There are too many times in the day when the Treo's task-switching won't work for me (as fast as it can be at times) and so I dropped my Treo 650 last fall and opted for the PPC platform for the multi-tasking and EVDO access as two key discriminators. I further upgraded from the XV6600 to the i730 and got back the Treo's similar form factor and most of the one-handed use. For me, the only remaining shortcoming for PPC devices compared to Treos is phone integration, but the PPCs are close enough for now - and who knows when WM5.0 comes out.

gharrod

bmacfarland, I have bought 4 Treos over the last 4 years, for that price I could have had an OQO and saved money and carried a cell phone and (again) left the laptop bag at home when traveling on my 225 flights a year...then I have the best of both worlds, small computer model and one handed phone form factor with greater functionality.

AdamaDBrown

And they may be right. I'm still holding out some hope that Palm will wise up and provide Cobalt, but I admit that it's a very long shot indeed. I just advise against taking BH reports as gospel.

DrDoom

I CHOOSE to live in a fantasy world where Palmsource stills has a chance of delivering a great, multi-tasking OS on the Treo before Christmas. My friends keep telling me there's medicine for those types of delusions, but I just cover my ears and yell "Nah, nah, nah!!" at the top of my lungs.

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Geckotek

Huh?!! Either I read that wrong or what you said made no sense at all. EVDO is NOT Edge. EVDO is MUCH faster than both current Sprint data (1xRTT) and Edge.

Here's a little chart for comparison:
http://www.evdoforums.com/about473.html

However, not so sure how much I am willing to pay....$80/mo is VERY steep!

I disagree. There are several times I wished I could multi-task. Although it wasn't a deal-breaker when buying the 650.

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gharrod

Geckotek, you are taking 3 different statements and trying to make them one. The ifrst dealt with the price issue, the second dealt with the speed. I never said the 2 were the same. Maybe I don't get all excited about these things because I am not downloading mb's of files like you other users may be so it isn't important or worth the high price. Also I travel to a lot of remote areas when working so it wouldn't even be available just as I fon't use Sprints wireless laptop card because that service isn't available in thosesame rural areas.

I am a bit confused that so many of you talk of Cobalt as being the ultimate but otthers say it doesn't work.

In my mind give me a Palm LifeDrive with a phone built in and voice recognition software that works and I have my Treo and iPod all in one and then you have a convergence device that has it right. But then would it sell to corporate America? Probably not...but wouldn't it be cool if they could beat Apple and Motorola to the punch?

gharrod

Just checked and Treo670.com and Treo700.com are both reserved and under construction. Verisign is the listed owner. Could they just be parking the sites for Palm? Last year when the 650 was rumored there was a professor in Mass. who had the Treo650.com site reserved for Palm and I think we found she had a distinct Palm connection.