daThomas

Hi costs for providing healthcare for employees he needs for his business currently is too high for him to start his business and getting higher exponentially.

This bill will shift that costs off of his business.

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daThomas

w00t!

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groovy

The problem occurs for businesses that don't have very many employees and is too small to provide benefits, which is where most businesses start. How is the head of that new start up getting coverage? And how are his employees getting coverage.

By the way, Joseph Cao is looking for a backbone. Let him know if you have any to spare.

daThomas

Looks like Cao found some backbone.

Under the soon to be old system, how would his employees get coverage if not through their employer?

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clemgrad85

Do you have a mohawk hair cut and a ring in your nose? Just curious, how old are you?

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clemgrad85

Classic how the main parts don't kick in until 2013....ROFL....umm, I guess they are afraid once the public gets a taste of socialism they would vote the bums out. I don't see that as having balls....I see that as trying to sneak something by everyone. It's a sad day for people who truly love America. But for folks who love Europe, what a great day, huh?

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daThomas

That's a receding hairline and yes.

Relevance?

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clemgrad85

Ummm....individual coverage? Not everyone gets denied when they apply for individual coverage.

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groovy

It doesn't take any backbone to wait until the ayes have it and then vote aye.

They wouldn't. That's the point. People who start businesses, and those who join them, take calculated risks that their health won't fail them in the short term so they choose to go without coverage. I know you know that there are a whole lot of twenty-somethings who don't have insurance because they're just trying to establish themselves. And a lot of them go into small start ups because they can take the risk.

Under the possibly new system, not only will they have to account for any cut in pay to either start a business or to join a start up business, but they will have to factor in having to pay for insurance. OR, they could stay at the big evil corporation who steels their will to live in exchange for paltry health care benefits.

clemgrad85

No real relevance other than just wondering if maybe time to act your age? If you're 19 then I guess that is pretty "cool", but, you look to be maybe middle 40s?...maybe early 50s? Maybe time to hang up the nose ring?

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palandri

Have you ever thought about taking a class in diversity?

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clemgrad85

No

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palandri

The biggest problem with the bill is it contains a controversial amendment to restrict coverage of abortion. That's a woman's right to choose. That's pretty bad that it was added.

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daThomas

Ouch! You know how to hurt a guy!


I wear it when appropriate but thanks for your input.

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daThomas

I'm pretty sure they will yank it out later. It's one thing to say you can't use federally obtained insurance for an abortion but to say if you're on federally obtained insurance you can't obtain a private policy for an abortion won't fly.

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daThomas

And this is EXACTLY why it has to be required. Healthy 20 somethings don't get coverage because they think they're healthy and nothing will happen to them. Then they end up with something nasty or get hit by a bus and they're costs are passed onto the insured.

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daThomas

This board is his class in diversity.

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groovy

Nobody's right to abortion is being taken from them.

groovy

That might be true IF there were enough healthy-uninsured emergencies to drive up the total cost. But there aren't. You know how I know? Because that's how insurance companies make money. There are consistently more healthy people who pay into the system than there are sick people who withdraw from the system. If that wasn't the case, insurance companies would never survive.

Now, there is a large population of unhealthy and uninsured that do drive up the costs for everyone. But under the possibly new system, they'll still be uninsured. Any guesses?