bwillet

I think we're only seeing aGPS on the Treo.

I say this because I can't get any "signal bars" to show up on the Garmin main screen, and when I go into the "GPS Info" screen, I see all the satellites, but I never see any signal strengths, only flat bars. Also, there's no elevation provided, and I know all the above behaviors are exactly what you see when you're only running aGPS (from my experience with the Touch). This could also explain why other apps can't see the GPS at all, because Garmin is aGPS aware, and TomTom for example is not. GPSGate is, and converts the aGPS data to a simulated GPS signal outputted though the virtual COM port, which TomTom can then read.

I have tried this with GPSGate and without, and through the Intermediate driver and without, and the results don't change.

One thought I had is that maybe the Maps application has it locked somehow? This shouldn't be the case because of the WM GPS manager, which should split the GPS signal as necessary, but just a thought.

But bottom line, I can't see any "real" GPS signal from Garmin, where with my Touch I don't have the same issue. If I bury myself in the house with the Touch, I'll get the same results, but as soon as I'm even remotely close to a window or wall, I'll pick up the real GPS signal, and all of a sudden I have signal bars for each satellite and elevation.

Very depressing, as I love the speed, screen, and keyboard on this phone. But as far as GPS, which is one of my killer apps so to speak, it's not working right at the moment. I don't know whether I should just hang tight for a week or two and see if someone smarter than I can figure this out, or just get another Touch (old one is already in the wife's hands, and she's not getting rid of it). Thoughts from the peanut gallery?

rc46

Interesting.

These guys are all saying that it works fine
GPS - Garmin XT

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bwillet

Here's a good way to check this out. Does ANYONE who is using Garmin see signal bars above each satellite when in "GPS Info" view (from the main screen, just click on the GPS signal meter, then click on GPS Info. It doesn't matter how many satellites it shows, but do you have signal strengths above each satellite? I do on my touch, at least when it gets out of aGPS and switches to the good old satellites.

NRG

Nope, no bars here. I started a thread on this matter yesterday.

bwillet

Just went looking for that thread.

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I hope someone can disprove my theory... It makes sense to me (aGPS only).

wrecks

I got a bar, but it is very rare that I see it.

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gruppe3942

so what exactly does this mean for us 800 users ;(

bwillet

If I'm right, it just means we need to get one of the genius hackers to fix it!

gruppe3942

so if it was only agps does that mean programs like google or live maps won't work?

wrecks

Just read malatesta post about gps and agps. I am guessing it might be assisted in some way.

http://wmexperts.com/articles/gps_vs..._tutorial.html

rc46

Good read, thanks for the link.

Not having a 800w or Garmin XT I can only speculate. Another poster in another thread said that Garmin XT worked great with the phone radio off. Therefore I'm guessing that XT is not showing signal strength bars because Windows Mobile 6.1 reports the GPS signal strength differently. If thats the case than this is really nothing to worry about and just a minor bug?

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wrecks

I think I was the one that reported initially that you can run gamin xt without the radio.. I was wrong, you have to at least have the radio on for it to acquire the signal for it to work.

nitroback

Very good read. Thanks for the link and thanks to Mal for the article.

NRG

Mine works just fine with the radio off.

wrecks

Turn your phone radio off. Remove and replace your battery. Then startup Garmin XT. Let me know of your results.

NRG

Alright, give me a little bit.

rc46

Well then. It sounds like sprint has the GPS chip locked so it wont run on its own. That sucks!

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NRG

No love. It would not find the GPS. There really is only on true way to test it would be for someone to try and use it on a flight. That way you could turn on the phone part, and see if you still get GPS. I am going to go search the registry a bit and see what rocks I over turn.

Darth Pooh

Just did. It said "Flight Mode must be turned off in order to activate Bluetooth."

Not sure if that means it reads the gps via a com port or what... it does concern me that this thing is on lockdown. However, with Garmin XT I get a great signal and no lag while driving. I am just annoyed that if I lose good signal, I might lose good triangulation and positioning?

rc46

Not to mention the millions of miles of road in this country with no cellphone coverage. I wonder if getting one of those little external BT GPS receivers would allow us to use XT with our 800w when we have no sprint network?

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